Maybe after that certain cause into the expanded generations suddenly appearing inside the newest heraldry will come in order to white

Maybe after that certain cause into the expanded generations suddenly appearing inside the newest heraldry will come in order to white

I think Tim could well be upload the brand new scans of photo to help you their web site, and will article that link to the brand new newsgroup.

Re: Wingfield Applications-of-Fingers

connections of one’s participants, (the brand new Wingfields were investigated fairly well, and you can despite my typo toward Howard members of the family, I do feel the pedigree accurately annotated here in RI) >>

I am not sure this is exactly an exact declaration. Really does the publication target the latest age bracket *prior* so you’re able to John Russell who e mom and dad of Age Russell who meters Sir Robert Wingfield ?

Re: ? Comyn spouse off Malise

I have the second so you’re able to complete a number of the holes your show forthe high-grandparents away from Reginald le Cheyne. Among the primaryadditions stems from his paternal grandma (NN on the post) havingbeen Mary de Moravia (als de- Moray), aunt and coheiress off Freskinde Moravia regarding Duffus (their own parents Walter de- Moravia and you may Euphemia ofRoss appear below). You have the question on his maternalgrandmother: We hold she was Joanna de- Menteith, next partner off Malise,Earl of Strathearn. This will at the least promote an almost explanationfor Joanna’s child Helen out-of Strathearn (partner successively ofReginald le Cheyne, the father, and of Sir David de- Graham) beingnamed having Helen de Menteith, sis away from Joanna and you can wife regarding Sir ColinCampbell out of Lochow (d. bef Can get 1343).

Regrettably, I think there are added openings when you look at the Muriel Keith’sancestry (come across lower than). Concerning sometimes improvements advised on tablesbelow, delight recommend of any noted conflicts, or what documentationmight mean one mistake listed.

I have gaps both in ancestries, but fiercely in this away from Reginald.Getting Muriel Keith, their particular higher-grandparents I show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton

I’m not familiar with people files supporting the character of mate due to the fact Barbara Seton. When you yourself have detailed one, excite suggest.

3 Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander out-of /Fraser/ Chamberlain out of Scotland d 3 Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/

Sir Alexander Fraser married Mary Bruce (otherwise de Brus), and had an effective son John recognized as ‘nepos’ of Robert _the_Bruce. So it young man is actually a younger John, not, and not his heir. John Fraser, later lord away from Aboyne, try new son from an initial wedding (that it spouse unknown; We have which with the expert away from Andrew MacEwen).

step three Walter de- Moravia (child out of Hugh de Moravia, and you can Annabela off Fife) 4 Euphemia off Ross (dau. from Fearchar, initially Earl out of Ross and you will NN deBrus)

5 Malise, sixth Earl away from /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN maybe Comyn d aft 13097 Sir John de Menteith (young man of Walter Stewart, E away from Menteith and you will

The fresh new consanguinity anywhere between Muriel Keith and you will Reginald le Cheyne -recognized to had been a great-grandson out of Malise, Earl out of Strathearn (d.1312) – is the only research (in the event that secondary) that these two individualshad at least one predecessor/ancestress in accordance.

We have holes both in ancestries, however, ferociously in that of Reginald.Getting Muriel Keith, their own high-grand-parents I show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton3 Alexander de- Synton4 NN5 Alexander out of /Fraser/ Chamberlain regarding Scotland d step three Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/7 NN Fraser8 NN

To own Reginald ce Cheney it is sparse1 NN Cheney , 2 NN, step 3 NN, cuatro NN5 Malise, sixth Earl off /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN possibly Comyn d aft 13097 and you will 8 NN

Re: Agnes Beler

Woodford, early 15the century, inside Leicestershire. E are the latest d Villiers and you may Agnes Beler. Now, I want to connect Agnes so you can Sir Roger Beler, murdered because of the Eustace de- Folville, but I can’t pick people details about her. Normally someone assist?

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